"Checking once is assurance. Checking again is reassurance." (Gabbie's therapist) Gabbie goes to LA and Heather works on the podcast. We discuss OCD and creating rules and doing compulsions.
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Welcome back to Comically Exposed. We are on episode two, I believe. Three. I know how
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to count. Don't worry about it. I'm a math tutor. So, I'm Gabbie and my co-host extraordinaire
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is...
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Heather.
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Yeah.
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See, we figured this out already.
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So good. It's like, it's amazing how it's the same every time and we totally remember
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what we did last time. It's perfect. Okay. So, we are on episode three and actually Heather
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and I were just talking before the podcast because Heather has gone headfirst into everything
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like technology, podcasting, like music rights, all of this stuff. I feel woefully inadequate,
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but that's okay. So, I don't know. Do you want to talk about where you're at with this
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stuff? You don't have to.
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No, I mean, that's the insanity of, I guess, me in the way that I process information.
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Fortunately, I make things a lot bigger than they need to be sometimes. Only because, I
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mean, sometimes rightfully so because I'm just trying to figure out things, especially
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about music, copyright and royalties and et cetera, and how to make sure that I'm doing
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the right thing, which is also something that I have to deal with with my OCD. It's like
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circles back to OCD because of worrying about getting in trouble and then something happens
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like the world explodes or our house catches on fire and normal stuff like that.
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Totally normal. Honestly, totally normal from my head as well. So, I get where you're coming
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from. The thing is, this is like a layer of OCD that's just such a bummer to me, which
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I guess is just part of OCD. The extra rules that we put in place for ourselves to live
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and it's so exhausting to try and follow society's rules, the laws of the land, dynamics in family,
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and then we have put in place. Yeah. Sometimes totally good to follow rules for us. Like,
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you know, when I go swimming every day, I bring this little vitamin C solution so that
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it counteracts the chlorine on the swimsuit. But honestly, the fact that I have to bring
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it every single day, it's like, is it super important or is this becoming a compulsion,
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i.e. a rule that I feel like I have to follow all the time? I don't know. Is that the same
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for you? Yeah. Yeah. I have to always kind of, it's funny because I check things too.
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I have to check my checks, which is like, and then it becomes like this very meta. And
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then, you know, the questioning too, the questioning is this OCD. I mean, my therapist is like,
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has always said that as soon as you ask yourself, is this OCD, it is OCD. It's not that it is
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or it isn't. It's just like, it's basically ending the conversation of checking again
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and making sure and you know, all that stuff. And so, and it's not that it is or it isn't,
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it's just whether or not I'm checking to see if it is. And so, yeah, it's fun. I was just
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gonna say it's so fun. Well, my therapist, which maybe we should get them into some kind
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of like fight club. My therapist says checking once is assurance. Checking any more than
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that is reassurance. Yes. Which is like all well and good when I'm in more of like a maintenance
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phase of the OCD. But when I'm like fully in the OCD, then it's like, wait, did I check
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the first time? Was that? Did that go through? Like did that email fully send or did it get
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stuck with the mailer daemon? And so, we have to check again. But now as a reassurance,
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yeah. The meta part of OCD is infuriating. Yeah. Yeah. Because you think you're on the
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outside of it, but you're really inside. Totally. It's like you were in the ocean, which is
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why people who are well-meaning who like don't have OCD or whatever, it's like they see you
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in the middle of the ocean and they're like, why don't you just go on land? And it's like,
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yeah, buddy, I'd love to go on land. Currently, I am drowning in water and there is no land
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to be seen on any horizon. So, thank you for your help, but please feel free to fuck off.
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Yeah. It's always complicated to kind of explain to people, especially because I mask a lot
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when it comes to like having a difficulty. So, when I'm telling somebody a very difficult
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experience and trying to share it with them, they just kind of like push it off and they're
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like, yeah, that's not really a problem. And I'm totally, and I've had that like most of
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my life because I was only, I was recently diagnosed with OCD, although I've had it since
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childhood. It was like almost two years ago. So, I'm just learning like little bits and
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pieces and management and et cetera. Things that I thought was like a personality deficit
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and made me realize this is like a whole other thing. Yeah. When I first got diagnosed with
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OCD, as I was talking to that therapist, I was like in my head going, well, this is obviously
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not OCD. I'm just wasting this person's time and like I'm just trying to get attention
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and like blah, blah, blah. So, by the end of the hour, I convinced myself, you don't
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have OCD, you just have personality deficits and issues. And then he just immediately like
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launches into all these treatment options and I was like, I'm sorry, are you saying
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that I have OCD? And he kind of laughs and he goes, oh, you have textbook OCD. I was
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like, sweet. At least I got a gold star somewhere. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah. I totally know what you mean about that. I'm sorry. It's just so familiar.
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No. Yes. That's why I laugh too. Like when you and I are not on the podcast and talking
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about OCD, I feel like we both are laughing constantly because it's just like part of
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me, the laugh is relief because I'm like, oh, thank God somebody else does this. It's
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not just me again, trying to make my life harder, trying to get attention, you know,
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whatever. Yeah. Well, because that's the other part of it all too, right? It's the part that
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you don't have self-compassion for yourself and you're like judging yourself and you're
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saying that you should be perfect or whatever. And that's the other part of it is it kind
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of degrades you, right? Oh yeah. Makes you think you're less than because it's like you
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can't be like, why can't I think normal? Yes. You know, why can't I just get on land? It
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seems to be so easy for everybody else to just be on land and walking around. Yeah.
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Meanwhile, my best friends are like a whale shark and an octopus. You know what I mean?
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And they're not even real. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I know. Heather has been researching
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like to the nth degree for our podcast and doing amazing stuff, but my OCD Spidey sense
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was tingling a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So my question to you is how do you feel about
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all this research that you've been doing? And that might be a loaded question. Yeah,
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I think I was, I think I was walking the line. I don't know if my therapist agrees with me
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on this, but this is how I feel about it. There is this weird thing where research is
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useful in anybody else's life, you know, knowing exactly what something is and understanding
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something. But for my kind of disordered view, it kind of goes to another place. I like,
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for example, I'll expose myself a little bit, will have a lot of tabs open and they will
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be a lot of the same tabs over and over and over again. And when I see that, I realize
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there's something wrong here. Before I used to not realize that and I would have tabs
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open on my computer, on my phone and not just one browser. We're talking multiple browsers.
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Oh, next level. Yeah. And they would be in the hundreds, if not closer to thousands.
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But I would have a bunch of tabs open, which I'm sure is not great for your computer or
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your phone. But that is what I would do. And then I would go through them and I'm like,
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why do I have these open? And then I would see that most of them are the same or if not
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exactly the same, like the same place. And that's when I know that's not good. But then
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there's an another end of the spectrum where there is a genuine curiosity. Oh, yeah. I
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know that things aren't supposed to be there for protectant, you know, like I don't need
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things to like be bumper guards. That's the thing with Google. You know, it's it's not
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to have those bumper guards and be able to flail about on this planet. I don't know where
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I'm going with this. So OCD is so fun. I think we should retitle the podcast.
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Well, I mean, but then the other thing was so so then let's let's go back a little bit.
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The thing that we talked about just right before we turned on the recording was like
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your feeling that you feel like that I was doing a lot and that you weren't doing enough
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and that you were failing. But the funny thing is, is that I felt like I was failing because
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we I felt like I wasn't doing enough. I'm so sorry to laugh, but it's like the beauty
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of everybody has their own perspective. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm just like,
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I feel like we could both say to each other, like, well, your perspective is wrong. My
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perspective, where I have not done enough, but you have done above and beyond is the
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correct one. Yeah, no. Yeah. So in my mind, I'm thinking, you know, I'm failing because
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I'm not getting things done in a timeline. But in reality, our timeline is our timeline.
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And so it's just getting things out. And that's the intent of doing this is to practice, you
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know, doing this over and over again until we get better and that there are potential
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failures or perceived failures that will happen. Right. Which is an excellent transition to
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me for this week. My goal was to apply to mortified and there were a couple of steps
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in the way there. You know, all I have is like a page and a half of the standup set
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that I wrote when I was 14. I'm sure it's brilliant. I haven't reread it. And when I
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say brilliant, that is sarcastic as hell. But in looking at mortified, they want more
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than just that amount of written stuff. So I was like, oh, I printed out every email
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for the first semester as a freshman in college. Like, that'll be great. I did not go to and
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you can see in the house, there is a door back there. That is the garage about 10 feet
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that way to the garage. So we're talking 30 feet as the crow flies. Okay, all of those
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printouts are there. Have I gone and found them and looked through them? Have not. So,
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boy, this is a long winded way to say didn't do it. Didn't apply to mortified this week
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and was feeling pretty low when I knew that we were recording today. And then you had
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to come in with like all of this amazing research and being like, okay, we're going to use this
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resource and this resource. And I was like, fuck, Gabbie, get your shit together. In my
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defense, in my defense, I went to LA last week, which means nothing and just sounds
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like a brag. And the second thing was my dog went into surgery. And that is my anxiety
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has been heightened. Yeah. So that's, that's kind of where I am. I do want to say when
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I was in LA, I did do some things that would further comedy, which is kind of the point
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of this podcast. Yeah, absolutely. Which is I went and saw a comedy show put on by Chris
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Gethard and then I got to meet Chris Gethard at the end. It was so amazing. And he is the
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kindest, nicest, such a funny person. And then I also got to join the writer strike
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on the picket lines for a bit, which was cool. Did I feel like awkward as hell the whole
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time? 100% self-conscious. Absolutely. Did I take a picture to like, you know, put on
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social media? Nope. Didn't take a picture. Didn't, it was just a memory. But I feel like
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I supported, you know, writers. Well, where did you walk? Which studio? Oh, thank you
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for asking. So our hotel was closest to the Warner Brothers studio. So that's where we
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went. Yeah, we did one full loop. They did try to take our signs away when we were halfway
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through the loop because they were like, we only, you know, walk the picket line until
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noon. And I was like, cool. It's like 1145. I'd love to just bring back my sign to the
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place where I got from initially. Again, an OCD rule perhaps. But I also just wanted to
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do one full lap. So yeah, of course you wanted to walk the loop and you wanted to like support
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your fellow writers. It's so cool that you were able to do that with your sister and
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just be there to support everybody because this is our future. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So
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that's where I am. I don't know. Failure, modification, reframe. I was also supporting
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the writer's strike by not writing. Pencils down people. Well done. Yeah, yeah. Not writing
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as much as I would like or even contributing to the things that I wanted to work on and
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you know, which also felt like a massive failure, but it's funny because it's my own or criticizing
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myself in that way instead of just, you know, getting it done. Wait, what was your, what
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was your goal for this week? Was it writing? Two things. One was going to work on this
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podcast and two, which I did. And two was going to write my first draft or finish my
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first draft of my audio storytelling series or fictional podcast or whatever I want to
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call it. I still don't have a name. I need to like settle on a name. I mean, we're on
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episode three. I mean, I could keep changing it. You could, or you could just title it
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and then we could just refer to like your title of the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's
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not really a podcast. It's like, I don't know what it is. No, but that's what I'm saying.
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Like if you, if it's called like Heather's Adventures and OCD and Friends and Babysitting.
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Yeah. It's called right now. The working title is Doubt It. Oh, awesome. Yeah. And so that's
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what I'm calling it. Yeah. But yeah, that's how I refer to it. So even if it's not that
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title, it's a doubt it. It's great, dude. Well, what part of the process are you on
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with writing doubt it? Opening my program and looking at where I left off. That's solid.
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Yeah. Well, I have written notes on the side. Oh, dude. Okay. Well, you are writing then.
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It's just, you know, just not writing to the standard that I've put on myself. Once again,
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the rules. Yes. I think the reason that we have them as OCD is it's to keep us safe and
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it's to keep us like moral and you know, a good person or not in trouble or whatever.
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But truly what they actually are is mostly stumbling blocks, speed bumps, obstacles.
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Yeah. I remember talking to some therapist or something about like here's like a certain
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set of rules that I have and they were like, oh, that's exhausting. And I was like, I know.
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I'm tired all the time. Once again, OCD is so fun, you guys. If you don't already have
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it, just go out and get it because it is just a laugh a minute. Because you can catch it.
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Well, you can buy it for $19.95. That is our first podcast merch. Yes. OCD in a bottle.
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Yes. Snort this and ruin your life. Yes, exactly. Okay. Well, I think we should maybe talk about
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what our goals are for the next time period. Yeah. I'm going to do two because then maybe
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one of them will actually have happened by the next time. That's my goal. Just get a
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super long to-do list so that anything. I'll put breathing on there just so I can check
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something off. Yes. I think I'm going to still apply to mortified, you know, knock on wood.
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And then the second one is, oh boy, the rest of my goals are all like, mean a lot to me.
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So that's a bummer. I am going to do my first episode of the podcast. I want to start called
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That Shit Roommate. Yay. Yay. I'm writing it down. Those are great. When we're talking
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about goals, at least this is the way that I look at it. It's like any step that you
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do towards your goal is a step towards your goal. I mean, not to be redundant, but that's
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just what it is. Just putting on the shoes to go running is enough to work towards the
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going running. Yes. And I'm just going to say this now. It's amazing the compassion
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you can have towards me and the compassion that I feel towards you. My third goal is
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going to be, let's be a little more self compassionate to myself. Okay, Heather. Okay. What you got?
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What do I got? So my goal is to actually publish this podcast with you, even though we're on
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the third now in the recordings, but you know, it is what it is. And then the second is to
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actually work on my doubt it my script and get a draft done. Cool. I'm excited to do
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that. Finish it. I have I can tell like in my head, I have so many ideas. I just it's
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like, yeah. Oh, now I feel like I'm talking it up. I got to talk it down. I got to under
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sell it now. All of a sudden I was like, Whoa, that was a big head, Heather. I love that one
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tiny comment. And you're like, Oh my gosh, who's the narcissist on this call? No, but I will
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remind you kind of what you said to me as I was trying to write my spec script for a sunny in
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Philadelphia, you were like, do the shittiest version. So vomit draft. That's all this is.
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vomit drafts. It is. I challenge you to make it the worst thing I've ever read. I challenge you.
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Okay. I'll try my best to make it the worst thing you've ever read.
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And on that note, wait, did you say all of your goals?
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Yeah, just the two. It's podcast and then doubt it.
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I like that. I'm like, shouldn't you have like 12 other goals? Should we have? Take a breath,
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Gabbie. Okay. So I think we've done it. We've done it for this episode. We laughed, we've cried,
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we've compulsed. And I think that means it's time to wrap it up. Yes. All right. Yeah, everyone. We
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have been Gabbie and Heather. And we'll see you in a couple of weeks. Maybe. Don't put any pressure
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on anybody. Bye. Bye, everybody. Welcome to the end of the show. This is Gabbie Blachman.
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Okay. Until next time, ta ta for ta da. Bye. Bye. Me. Me.
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